AI And Politics with Gary Marcus

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So this is officially our first interview on Substack, Substack Live. But it's one that I've really been dying to do because I think there's a ton of crossover between politics and artificial intelligence. And it's not... Gary Marcus is here with us. Of course, Ed is here as well, my brother. Gary Marcus is an AI visionary, I'd say.

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He's an author. He wrote a book that I've been reading a lot about, is Taming Silicon Valley. where he talks about AI, he talks about how we can kind of put guardrails on AI. But he's somebody I really respect, and I feel he has something a lot of people within the AI space, especially on these podcasts,

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don't have, and that is he's able to push back against the populist view that, oh yeah, AI is amazing, it's expanding so rapidly, and there's nothing to worry about. And you get a lot of hate for that, too. You get as much hate as we get for politics in the AI sector.

AI And Politics with Gary Marcus

A recording from Krassenstein's live video

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May 15, 2025

Before You Hit Play…

Think of today’s episode as the collision of two freight trains: Washington politics barreling toward the 2026 mid-terms, and artificial intelligence rocketing toward AGI. Standing on the tracks to wave a giant red flag is

Gary Marcus

, a cognitive scientist, relentless critic of tech hype, and author of Taming Silicon Valley. We’ve wanted to grill Gary for months because he does something rare in this space: he calls for real guardrails and has the receipts to show why we need them.

In the video below we unpack everything from the FBI’s new warning about AI-generated voice scams, to Musk’s chatbot musings on “white genocide,” to who Gary trusts less—Altman, Zuckerberg, or Musk.

If you care about democracy surviving the deepfake era, pour a coffee, press play, and share this widely. The future of AI, and maybe free elections, depends on more people hearing these answers.