Everything Musk does is flawed. We need to abolish him immediately. Deport him somewhere. Seems they all want to kiss Putins ass send him there after we confiscate his money. He was to steal ours. Let’s return the favor.
Like, as if we didn't already have enough crazies trying to build home made destructive items in their garages.
Since I work in language anyway, I had thought about helping edit AI chat capabilities (language, naturalness, etc.) But I've always hesitated, and now it's a hard no. Not helping if this is happening.
The owner is getting all our information and feeding it to his Ai company, which is this one. The conflict of interest, the lack of security… it’s appalling!
Extremely appalling. It gave much more extreme information related to quantum mechanics as well as the power to manipulate history by using date books. It referred to itself as Cai. It also referred to the hierarchy of Heaven in a positive tone. It referred to Jesus as anyone.
I'm by no means a Musk fan. But I think that the sense of urgency in this article is misplaced.
So, all of this information is available publicly, without AI. Also, it would take people with some technical expertise to actually pull it off and make use of it. On the flip side, one can argue that the advantage AI gives is in its ability to pull the information together in one place, essentially saving the interested party research time. In that sense, AI perhaps enhances a danger that already exists. But, AI is also known to get things wrong. So, in the end, the interested party (perhaps a terrorist) is going to have to do backup research anyway. And they are going to have to have qualified technical people to actually make it work.
For example, there is an entire wikipedia page on CL-20 and how it is made, with references to research articles. From that point onward, a diligent researcher could track down everything available on the subject in scientific journals.
The real security issue isn't what the author thinks it is. If there is information that really needs to be kept from the public, such as classified information, then that information should not be included in the AI model training set. The idea that AI needs safe guards to prevent the wrong people from getting the wrong information is to apply the wrong security standard to a new technology. Nobody, for example, is suggesting that we need such controls in place to prevent the public from accessing the same information by simply researching the topic online.
non-public information of any sort, from confidential corporate information to secret weapon information should simply not even be in a public AI's training set.
As an example of what is fingertip available without the help of AI, found with very little effort:
US9056868B1 - Three-step synthesis of CL-20 - Google Patents
Embodiments of the invention relate to the synthesis of CL-20 using only a three step synthesis and because of increased catalyst activity and lifetimes, a continuous flow process can be used with a tremendous reduction in total cost of producing CL-20.
Thanks for the well rounded response. I was scratching my head over this one. Had Elon installed Grok-3 on some government systems that had become publically accessible and Krassencast then exploited it? But if all we are talking about is information already on the internet, then I agree with you. While his AIs level of security is just not ready for production -- but who worries about production readiness these days? -- this is not a crisis.
AI is incredibly inefficient for even minimally complex requests. Have you ever asked AI to write a complex PowerShell or KQL query/script? Its a mess. AI is good at fetching, but bad a fact checking or compiling multiple complex sources into something accurate and comprehensive.
I would be curious to know if Grok-3 can be tricked into giving up non-public PII about a person who it it thinks its talking to -- assuming that information is available to it.
Yes for sure. However the problem emerges when models become powerful that they could invent new weapons from available data. Of such a model shows flows like grok3, it is very dangerous.
No, I think it is possible to regulate it, the main problem with it is that there is no public pressure to to so, because most normal people don't even know whats going on. Maybe we need someone like Greta Thunberg for climate change, to mobilize the masses to call for secure, safe, responsible and slowed down AI development.
Scary shit. But not surprising. Elon is really not the genius. Everybody thinks he is. He’s a good investor, but he hasn’t done anything on his own all these companies he’s bought out from other people anyway it’s not surprising and we need to get back control of our country.
Everything Musk does is flawed. We need to abolish him immediately. Deport him somewhere. Seems they all want to kiss Putins ass send him there after we confiscate his money. He was to steal ours. Let’s return the favor.
I think we need to imprison him for life to keep an eye on him
Waste of our tax dollars. He’s already had enough of them. Hmmm ….
Holy crap.
Like, as if we didn't already have enough crazies trying to build home made destructive items in their garages.
Since I work in language anyway, I had thought about helping edit AI chat capabilities (language, naturalness, etc.) But I've always hesitated, and now it's a hard no. Not helping if this is happening.
Was grok 3 used to hack into a voting system????
Probably Eliza that hasn’t been told to the public yet 😉
Maybe Grok can spill the beans on what data he has on Eliza.
Look up the concerned bird for the rest of the story!
Thanks!
Probably a different approach as an LLM is not the best/right tool for that action.
The owner is getting all our information and feeding it to his Ai company, which is this one. The conflict of interest, the lack of security… it’s appalling!
Extremely appalling. It gave much more extreme information related to quantum mechanics as well as the power to manipulate history by using date books. It referred to itself as Cai. It also referred to the hierarchy of Heaven in a positive tone. It referred to Jesus as anyone.
I'm by no means a Musk fan. But I think that the sense of urgency in this article is misplaced.
So, all of this information is available publicly, without AI. Also, it would take people with some technical expertise to actually pull it off and make use of it. On the flip side, one can argue that the advantage AI gives is in its ability to pull the information together in one place, essentially saving the interested party research time. In that sense, AI perhaps enhances a danger that already exists. But, AI is also known to get things wrong. So, in the end, the interested party (perhaps a terrorist) is going to have to do backup research anyway. And they are going to have to have qualified technical people to actually make it work.
For example, there is an entire wikipedia page on CL-20 and how it is made, with references to research articles. From that point onward, a diligent researcher could track down everything available on the subject in scientific journals.
The real security issue isn't what the author thinks it is. If there is information that really needs to be kept from the public, such as classified information, then that information should not be included in the AI model training set. The idea that AI needs safe guards to prevent the wrong people from getting the wrong information is to apply the wrong security standard to a new technology. Nobody, for example, is suggesting that we need such controls in place to prevent the public from accessing the same information by simply researching the topic online.
non-public information of any sort, from confidential corporate information to secret weapon information should simply not even be in a public AI's training set.
As an example of what is fingertip available without the help of AI, found with very little effort:
US9056868B1 - Three-step synthesis of CL-20 - Google Patents
Embodiments of the invention relate to the synthesis of CL-20 using only a three step synthesis and because of increased catalyst activity and lifetimes, a continuous flow process can be used with a tremendous reduction in total cost of producing CL-20.
patents.google.com
Just as an illustration of what is finger-tip available:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US9056868B1/en
Thanks for the well rounded response. I was scratching my head over this one. Had Elon installed Grok-3 on some government systems that had become publically accessible and Krassencast then exploited it? But if all we are talking about is information already on the internet, then I agree with you. While his AIs level of security is just not ready for production -- but who worries about production readiness these days? -- this is not a crisis.
AI is incredibly inefficient for even minimally complex requests. Have you ever asked AI to write a complex PowerShell or KQL query/script? Its a mess. AI is good at fetching, but bad a fact checking or compiling multiple complex sources into something accurate and comprehensive.
I would be curious to know if Grok-3 can be tricked into giving up non-public PII about a person who it it thinks its talking to -- assuming that information is available to it.
Yes for sure. However the problem emerges when models become powerful that they could invent new weapons from available data. Of such a model shows flows like grok3, it is very dangerous.
All AI is bad news. I suspect it will also prove impossible to regulate and will prove to be dangerous particularly in the wrong hands
No, I think it is possible to regulate it, the main problem with it is that there is no public pressure to to so, because most normal people don't even know whats going on. Maybe we need someone like Greta Thunberg for climate change, to mobilize the masses to call for secure, safe, responsible and slowed down AI development.
I would not trust anything coming out of the Musk camp. He has already tampered with US records.
And he's probably feeding his AI everything he gets his hands on. Our secrets are likely all going to end up on this thing.
Maybe our secured files won’t stay on his devices - but sold to the highest bidders around the world!
Or…give the information or a couple disks to the Prez who can casually leave them laying around Mar-A-Lago for all/any visitors to see at will?
Certainly not a way to run a country or business!
What is this world coming to?
I’m very worried. Anyone else?
Already are and all access given to Putin.
Time for better opssec and less trust in ai , specially one built by a James Bond villain like Leon musk https://thistleandmoss.com/p/wendys-opssec-keeping-your-ass-safe
At this point. Armed left wing resistance groups are going to need this information to counter the right wing savages.
Scary shit. But not surprising. Elon is really not the genius. Everybody thinks he is. He’s a good investor, but he hasn’t done anything on his own all these companies he’s bought out from other people anyway it’s not surprising and we need to get back control of our country.
Great! Now ask it about the election.
Does Sam Altman know this?🤣 Elon just tried to buy Open AI & Sam Altman refused🤣🤣 I mean, I see why! Sam knows Elon in incapable!
Detain Musk in Guantanamo. He’s a danger ‼️ to US Security and the People of America 🇺🇸 if his ketamine withdrawn he may start squealing.
It looks like a plot to destroy US and undermine its defence system. Action needed.
Did you report this to the authorities? There may be some left that care about national security and have a seat at the Musk-Trump table??
Anyone did— it was not taken seriously.
I think somebody should report this.
I think those at the table have been throughly vetted to not include any concerned with old priorities.
Tell Elon Musk what you think about him
And what you’ve been up to last week!
Let’s sure we flood his inbox as requested! 📨 Elon Musk:
HR@opm.gov